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    Tier List

    Hello community,

    I am working on a Tier List and I want to share it with you.

    Keep in mind that it is still work in progress.

    If you find any errors or have any suggestions I would really appreciate if you contact me:
    LINE ID: lyph2k

    Also I am still looking for someone to help me with the rankings.
    For now I ranked all heroes by myself and they are not 100% accurate yet (with a dynamic meta the rankings are also shifting).

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

    On the second sheet you are able to filter by name and position (for now it is a shared filter function).

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    thank you for the great work,really usefull

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    Thanks for sharing

    I would suggest splitting PvP up into Arena/GA and WoG separately. Certain heroes are much better in WoG than in arena/GA (e.g. Ninja Assassin, Demon Assassin, Halberd Master).

    Also the quality of a hero in arena/GA is strongly dependent on whether you can get that hero to R4 4 gears. Witch, for instance, is probably a B hero at best at R3, but jumps up to S/A hero at R4.
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    Thank you for your feedback.

    I agree with you that the PvP section should be divided into more sub categories:
    Arena Atk, Arena Def, Grand Arena Atk, Grand Arena Def, War of the Gods

    For now I combined them all into one PvP rating where I tried to average all the PvP parts.
    As mentioned I am ranking all heroes by myself. I am a lower VIP player and therefore
    my game knowledge is limited.

    To your second point:
    If we take Witch as an example I rank her based on the average player. This would be lv107 and R4.
    The meta can be different depending on your Server bracket. I am on Server 41.

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    Update:

    • Split "PvP" into "Arena Attack", "Arena Defense", "GA Attack", "GA Defense" and "WoG"
    • Updated Hero Ratings -> Thanks to Hesham for the help!
    • Added Training Stats
    • Added "1st Appearance"
    • Added "Initial Stars"
    • Added "Red+4 at 107"
    • Updated Hero List

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    Lyph, this is fantastic! Thank you for your work on this. I can't emphasize enough how incredibly valuable this is for the community in general, especially for new or returning players. Phenomenal resource you've created here.
    KUDOS!

    A few thoughts: I know this is all subjective, but I'd easily have Wind Priest and Halberd Master at an S overall. Chaplain, too. IMO, Wind Priest, Halberd Master and Turtle Fighter are definitively the three best and most versatile heroes in the game. Yes, even above Sorceress. I know this probably sounds crazy to say, but I feel like Sorc is a bit overrated in these rankings, especially compared to some of the other top tier heroes and where they're ranked here. Steel Champion at C in PvE seems a bit low too. I frequently use him in raids and elite campaigns. Other than single target PvE or physical immune situations, Steel Champion fits almost every situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavajo View Post
    Lyph, this is fantastic! Thank you for your work on this. I can't emphasize enough how incredibly valuable this is for the community in general, especially for new or returning players. Phenomenal resource you've created here.
    KUDOS!

    A few thoughts: I know this is all subjective, but I'd easily have Wind Priest and Halberd Master at an S overall. Chaplain, too. IMO, Wind Priest, Halberd Master and Turtle Fighter are definitively the three best and most versatile heroes in the game. Yes, even above Sorceress. I know this probably sounds crazy to say, but I feel like Sorc is a bit overrated in these rankings, especially compared to some of the other top tier heroes and where they're ranked here. Steel Champion at C in PvE seems a bit low too. I frequently use him in raids and elite campaigns. Other than single target PvE or physical immune situations, Steel Champion fits almost every situation.
    Thank you for your kind words.

    Yes the rankings are a little subjective. I want to explain why I ranked heroes you mentioned how I did:

    Wind Priest: He really struggles with R+3. With 108 and R+4 he maybe will be S Tier again. But for now he is totally out of meta and no gamechanger.

    Halber Master: Yes he is very strong. But he is also very weak against magical damage and only a single target damage dealer. Also in PvE he is more or less useless. Therefore I decided to rank him A overall instead S.

    Chaplain: She really shines with R+4 at 107 but she doesn't break any mode. If I would rank her S there are plenty of other heroes with 107 R+4 that are equally strong like Cat Loli or Witch for example. I feel A is an accurate ranking for her.

    Sorceress: Where do you feel she is overrated? I use her in nearly all modes and she performs better than all other damage dealer. What makes her so strong is her ultimate. Compared to Wind Priest she hits every hero on the battleground and besides doing massive damage she loweres enemy's energy and has a very usefull pushback too. If she isn't S Tier who is?

    Steel Champion: Since I am VIP 11- I don't have any experience with him at all. But you only see him very rarely and I can't imagine any situation where he shines in PvE compared to other heroes. He is not useless in PvE but he doesn't shine in PvE either. That is why I gave him a C. You can use him but he isn't better than other heroes.

    It is very hard to rank all heroes in all categories 100% accurate alone. If someone wants to help me he is highly welcome.

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    It sounds like some of the differences in our perceptions may be due to our servers. The top players on my server are 103-105. Steel Champion and Wind Priest are in virtually every single top arena team, while Sorceress only makes sporadic appearances. Halberd Master is in literally every single arena team.

    Given your explanations, your evaluations sound reasonable. Boy, I'm interested now in seeing how the game will change for me as my server reaches R3 and beyond. A world where Wind Priest doesn't reign supreme seems so bizarre to me lol.

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    That does explain our different experiences. My rankings are based on level 107.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyph View Post
    Hello community,

    I am working on a Tier List and I want to share it with you.

    Keep in mind that it is still work in progress.

    If you find any errors or have any suggestions I would really appreciate if you contact me:
    LINE ID: lyph2k

    Also I am still looking for someone to help me with the rankings.
    For now I ranked all heroes by myself and they are not 100% accurate yet (with a dynamic meta the rankings are also shifting).

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

    On the second sheet you are able to filter by name and position (for now it is a shared filter function).

    Big Thanks to hcharge.tk for sharing all the images with the community. Please support them by clicking Advertisement on their page.
    I really like what you did here, there are some heroes I think are a bit underrated.

    Armed Escort = D to C
    Queen of Wraith = D to C
    Fiend Slayer = D to C
    Imperial Executioner =D to C
    Bounty Queen = D to C
    Forest Fairy = D to C
    Lightning Elemental (L) = D to C
    Evil Blood = D to C
    Arcane Sapper = C to B
    Divine Knight = C to B
    Griffin = C to B
    Ninja = C to B
    Avenger = B to A

    Some you have I think are overrated

    Dwarf Warrior = B to C
    Manipulator = A to B
    Crossed Knight = A to B

    Arcane Sapper and Ninja are the definition of your description of B

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavajo View Post
    It sounds like some of the differences in our perceptions may be due to our servers. The top players on my server are 103-105. Steel Champion and Wind Priest are in virtually every single top arena team, while Sorceress only makes sporadic appearances. Halberd Master is in literally every single arena team.

    Given your explanations, your evaluations sound reasonable. Boy, I'm interested now in seeing how the game will change for me as my server reaches R3 and beyond. A world where Wind Priest doesn't reign supreme seems so bizarre to me lol.
    Wind Priest is just good at 107+ still an A hero though

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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyTheCat View Post
    I really like what you did here, there are some heroes I think are a bit underrated.

    Armed Escort = D to C
    Queen of Wraith = D to C
    Fiend Slayer = D to C
    Imperial Executioner =D to C
    Bounty Queen = D to C
    Forest Fairy = D to C
    Lightning Elemental (L) = D to C
    Evil Blood = D to C
    Arcane Sapper = C to B
    Divine Knight = C to B
    Griffin = C to B
    Ninja = C to B
    Avenger = B to A

    Some you have I think are overrated

    Dwarf Warrior = B to C
    Manipulator = A to B
    Crossed Knight = A to B

    Arcane Sapper and Ninja are the definition of your description of B
    Thank you for your suggestions. I don't agree on all of them.

    I will adjust Queen of Wraith and Imperial Executioner from D to C. QoW is actually used in WoG and in some GA defense teams and IE is kind of useful with 107 and R+4.
    Also Ninja from C to B I agree with.

    But I disagree on your other suggestions:
    Armed Escort: He is a D hero because he is useless in every mode. There is no niche situation where you pick him over another hero.
    Fiend Slayer: Also D because there are plenty of better damage dealer.
    Bounty Queen: She is between D and C. Unfortunately her ultimate is so bad that I see her more on the D side.
    Forest Fairy: Maybe I will give her a C since she has potential with 107 and R+4.
    (L) Lightning Elemental: There was a time where he was useful in WoG. But I haven't seen him there for ages. That's why I rate him as D.
    Evil Blood: He can be kind of useful but 99% of the players don't have him pushed/trained and that's why nobody uses him. Also there are plenty of better Offtank-DPS heroes.
    Arcane Sapper: His only purpose is in a GT burst team. In every other mode you don't use him because he is too squishy. An B hero has to do well in more than one mode.
    Divine Knight: He is between B and C. At the current meta I see him more on the C side. If DK/VS physical teams are getting more popular he will be back in the B Tier.
    Griffin: He is a solid Offtank but there is no use for him at the moment besides Outland Portal. But maybe he deserves a B ranking like Ooze even though they aren't used right now.
    Avenger: At the moment people are picking magical teams over physical teams. That's why I ranked him only B. To become A he has to be strong in a lot of situations - what he isn't right now.

    Dwarf Warrior & Crossed Knight: In my opinion the tanks are ranked like this - TF > Herc > CK, DV > DK(skin) > DW > Glad > ... S = TF; A = Herc, CK, DV; B = DK(skin), DW, Glad.
    Manipulator: With Skin she is a very strong meta supporter. She has to be ranked A, same as Frost Dragon due her wide variability.
    Last edited by Lyph; 11-18-2017 at 11:27 AM. Reason: forgot DV

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyph View Post
    Thank you for your suggestions. I don't agree on all of them.

    I will adjust Queen of Wraith and Imperial Executioner from D to C. QoW is actually used in WoG and in some GA defense teams and IE is kind of useful with 107 and R+4.
    Also Ninja from C to B I agree with.

    But I disagree on your other suggestions:
    Armed Escort: He is a D hero because he is useless in every mode. There is no niche situation where you pick him over another hero.
    Fiend Slayer: Also D because there are plenty of better damage dealer.
    Bounty Queen: She is between D and C. Unfortunately her ultimate is so bad that I see her more on the D side.
    Forest Fairy: Maybe I will give her a C since she has potential with 107 and R+4.
    (L) Lightning Elemental: There was a time where he was useful in WoG. But I haven't seen him there for ages. That's why I rate him as D.
    Evil Blood: He can be kind of useful but 99% of the players don't have him pushed/trained and that's why nobody uses him. Also there are plenty of better Offtank-DPS heroes.
    Arcane Sapper: His only purpose is in a GT burst team. In every other mode you don't use him because he is too squishy. An B hero has to do well in more than one mode.
    Divine Knight: He is between B and C. At the current meta I see him more on the C side. If DK/VS physical teams are getting more popular he will be back in the B Tier.
    Griffin: He is a solid Offtank but there is no use for him at the moment besides Outland Portal. But maybe he deserves a B ranking like Ooze even though they aren't used right now.
    Avenger: At the moment people are picking magical teams over physical teams. That's why I ranked him only B. To become A he has to be strong in a lot of situations - what he isn't right now.

    Dwarf Warrior & Crossed Knight: In my opinion the tanks are ranked like this - TF > Herc > CK > DK(skin) > DW > Glad > ... S = TF; A = Herc, CK; B = DK(skin), DW, Glad.
    Manipulator: With Skin she is a very strong meta supporter. She has to be ranked A, same as Frost Dragon due her wide variability.
    Maybe add +'s and -'s, or maybe an F category? I feel there are a lot of D's that I see from time to time. You can't have a Death Gore, Mountain, Dual Wield, Warrior Monk ect... on the same level as the D's to C's that I mentioned. They are 100% useless where as a hero like Forest Fairy is a healer/DPS that is a top 5 healer in the game.

    Arcane Sapper is used a lot! It may be with only one style of a team, but that team is used as a top 5 GT team

    This is how I would rate your D list

    Admiral = D - Only because she is a solid meat shield
    Armed Escort = C/D - You could make a case for either does solid damage and decent survivability
    Bear Warrior = D - He is a good damage dealer in PvE
    Bounty Queen = C/D - She is a sneaky good support hero
    Boxer = F - Useless
    Brute = F - Useless
    Cat Fencer = F - Useless
    Cloud Walker = D - He does good damage and has use in plenty of PvE
    Crypt Monster = F - Useless
    Death Bringer = D - His ultimate can still be useful
    Death Gore = F - Useless
    Desert Lycan = D - His ultimate is a good streak team counter in the GT and can be useful in PvE
    Devastator = D - He is a great MM team counter in the WoG
    Dope King = D/F - He would be a straight F if he wasn't the best hero for the Phoenix Portal
    Drunken Master = D/F - See Dope King
    Dual Wield = F - Useless
    Dungeon Keeper = D - He was one of the better offtanks about a year ago, but even though he isn't one of the best now he is 10x better than Dual Wield
    Elder Giant = F - Useless
    Ember Star = F - Useless
    Enchantress = D/F - Only good for DoT Portal
    Evil Blood = C/D - Under Rated I like to call him a tankier Death Bringer
    Ferryman = F - Useless
    Fiend Slayer = C - His ultimate is a game changer when he is facing forward, good with Sorceress
    Forest Chomper = D - Good for DoT Portal some other PvE
    Forest Guardian = F - Useless
    Frost Mage = D - She has decent damage with CC
    Ghost Musician = D - She can be good on Raid Boss battles
    Ice Mage = F - Useless
    Ice Spirit = D - Poor mans Frost Dragon. If you can't get Frost Dragon he is the next best thing
    Inferno = D - Good Sub in WoG
    Iron Dragon = F - Useless
    Iron Hoof = D - Good Sub in WoG
    (L) Lightning Elemental = C/D - MM counter and the best hero for War Hall defense
    Lightning Master = F - Useless
    Lunar Guarding = D/F - Not bad for some Portals
    Machinist =D/F - Almost useless, but can be useful in the Fly Portal
    Mechanical Birdman = ? - Don't know enough about this hero
    Mechanical Destroyer = D - Deals too much damage to be an F
    Mountain = F - Useless
    Musketeer = D - Can deal good damage with the right team
    Mystic = F - Useless (I have tried so many times with this guy, but he sucks!)
    Nature Storm = F - Useless (See Mystic)
    Nymph at Sea = D - Really good hero for Portals and decent for certain Raid Bosses
    Old Curse = D/F - Not useless, but he has been passed up by too many other heroes
    Phoenix = D - Great Sub in WoG and decent option against teams that don't turn you around
    Pilot = F - Useless (Doesn't even help in the Dragon Portal)
    Poisoned One = D - He is one of the best heroes for the Dragon Portal and Robot Fighter
    Professional Killer = F - Useless
    Psychic Sword = F - Useless
    Psychopath = D/F - needed for some portals, but can be replaced
    Queen of Curse = C/D - She can still be useful, semi good healer and is a decent MM counter
    Queen of Nature = F - Useless
    Rifleman = D/F - Decent for certain raid bosses
    Sandstorm Hunter = ? - Don't know enough about this hero
    Savage One = F - Useless
    Scorpion Queen = D - Decent in a couple of portals
    Shadow Shaman = D - He is used for GT teams and is a decent healer
    Shadowleaf = D/F - Needed for Phoenix Portal other then that Useless
    Shallows Keeper = F - Useless
    Silencer = D - If he had about 10K more HP on top of the extra Training HP he would be a C. Ultimate is a good counter to a lot of annoying DPS heroes like WP and Sorc
    Sniper = F - Useless
    Spider Queen = F - Useless (Disease Bringer without any support or healing. Terrible Hero!)
    Stormlord = F - Useless
    Succubus = D - Weaker opposite version of RF, but is decent against all male teams
    Swordmaster = D - He is a decent MM play
    Terran Swordsman = D - Decent tank that can turn the opposition around
    Troll Princess = C/D - Does a lot of damage and is a good Raid Hero
    Tusked Storm = D - Decent Support hero and surprisingly good with Ninja and Avenger
    Unsullied Champion = F - Useless
    Vanguard Warrior = D - Still a good burst team tank with EB
    Wandering Spearman = F - Useless
    War Chief = F - Useless
    Warrior Monk = F - Useless
    Wind Master = F - Useless
    Wizard Doctor = D - Useful on a couple of Portals

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    I dont think that Ice Mage is useless. The skinned IM is in all raid bosses teams of my server. About 16m.

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    I agree that in my rankings I had to give some heroes a D that aren't that useless but no one pick them because either there are even more powerful heroes or they have no niche for now.

    But if I add another Tier Level there will still be heroes that are between two level.

    To clarify what hero on my list is D: Every hero that isn't frequently used at all and has no outstanding purpose in at least one mode. C heroes have to be used quite often in a certain mode without being solid in more than one mode. B are strong heroes that are not seen everywhere but in a lot of modes. A are the beste heroes you see nearly everywhere and S are the outstanding ones that have certain skill (or skillsets) that make them even better than an A hero.

    What I could add is ↑, -, ↓:
    ↑ = Top end of a Tier Level
    - = Average of a Tier Level
    ↓ = Bottom end of a Tier Level

    But then it gets even more complicated and I would need help to rank them all accurate.

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