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    Explain why this is good for strong guilds and bad for weak?


    Weaker guild can wait till very end and then sign up for a group whwre no strong guild is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Explain why this is good for strong guilds and bad for weak?


    Weaker guild can wait till very end and then sign up for a group whwre no strong guild is...
    I don't think actually about for whom it will be good and for whom it will be wrong, i just think that ucool can do one system more manner who will be close than sport system.

    I gave exemple in football but it's thesame in every sport, you have head on lane and more lower players must success their qualification to access the final round...

    You never saw some sports where number 1 and number 2 have possibility to fight in 1st round, it's non sense
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Explain why this is good for strong guilds and bad for weak?


    Weaker guild can wait till very end and then sign up for a group whwre no strong guild is...
    Less than half the info can be just as bad. Most groups here have 8+ teams, yet we can only see 4 of them.

    Unless you get a lucky draw and see the strong teams right off the bat, it's just as difficult as before.

    ... Unless the 4 teams that are visible are the teams with the highest combined power (which would actually be quite cool)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PiripiP View Post
    Less than half the info can be just as bad. Most groups here have 8+ teams, yet we can only see 4 of them.

    Unless you get a lucky draw and see the strong teams right off the bat, it's just as difficult as before.

    ... Unless the 4 teams that are visible are the teams with the highest combined power (which would actually be quite cool)
    It is not the highest power teams that are visible. 6 of the top 12 guilds are not visible in our tournament

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Explain why this is good for strong guilds and bad for weak?


    Weaker guild can wait till very end and then sign up for a group whwre no strong guild is...
    Because the strong guilds wont face each other in the preliminaries. Every strong guild will take on a group, the mediocre guilds (Below rank 3), would be very lucky if they beat the preliminaries.
    I joined top guild in my server two days ago. When I deliberately put the guild on the same group with rank 2 guild in other server, guess what happened ... they escaped into other group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [GY] Nader View Post
    When I deliberately put the guild on the same group with rank 2 guild in other server, guess what happened ... they escaped into other group.
    And it's normal... Why people in top guild will take any risk to lose in preliminary ? It's stupid.

    If you are guild master, you think about your guys who want go far as possible, why to take even 33% of non luck to go out in first turn ? it's without sense...

    That's why i purpose one system who will give nearly free preliminary for TOP guild because in my system, i think no guild will join spot 1/4/5/8/9/12/13/16. But for other spot it will give chance for guilds even smaller to go on !

    It's the actual SPORT SYSTEM who is working till more than 50 years.... Not a random bet like it is right now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alendris View Post
    And it's normal... Why people in top guild will take any risk to lose in preliminary ? It's stupid.

    If you are guild master, you think about your guys who want go far as possible, why to take even 33% of non luck to go out in first turn ? it's without sense...

    That's why i purpose one system who will give nearly free preliminary for TOP guild because in my system, i think no guild will join spot 1/4/5/8/9/12/13/16. But for other spot it will give chance for guilds even smaller to go on !

    It's the actual SPORT SYSTEM who is working till more than 50 years.... Not a random bet like it is right now
    The system is good. No objection.

    I highly doubt any guild will go for a gamble strategy in the preliminaries, because they are fighting 12 guilds not 1. That is why I placed the guild against a rank 2 guild, they escaped. I decided not to follow them because now they will face rank 2 guild from our server in the quarter final and we will face the winner in the semi final (If none of us get knocked out). Let our rivals destroy each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [GY] Nader View Post
    The system is good. No objection.

    I highly doubt any guild will go for a gamble strategy in the preliminaries, because they are fighting 12 guilds not 1. That is why I placed the guild against a rank 2 guild, they escaped. I decided not to follow them because now they will face rank 2 guild from our server in the quarter final and we will face the winner in the semi final (If none of us get knocked out). Let our rivals destroy each other.
    I'm not agree with that even if the result in your exemple is the same, system must lock this possibility... And right now it's even more because you don't see even more than 30% of the pool of guild in the spot, so you can have stupid hard fight in preliminary and some lucky guild with 20 members who will go on in others spots...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alendris View Post
    I'm not agree with that even if the result in your exemple is the same, system must lock this possibility... And right now it's even more because you don't see even more than 30% of the pool of guild in the spot, so you can have stupid hard fight in preliminary and some lucky guild with 20 members who will go on in others spots...
    When I said system is good i meant your proposal. In our server, before the group teams are shown, top 5 guilds coordinate their group so that they don't fight each other in the preliminaries and in top 16 round.

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    Yes it's actually what do many people but it should be so easy for Ucool to validate an automatic system...
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    Quote Originally Posted by [GY] Nader View Post
    Because the strong guilds wont face each other in the preliminaries. Every strong guild will take on a group, the mediocre guilds (Below rank 3), would be very lucky if they beat the preliminaries.
    I joined top guild in my server two days ago. When I deliberately put the guild on the same group with rank 2 guild in other server, guess what happened ... they escaped into other group.
    No, they wonīt and as you said - there are ways to communicate that before already.(strong guilds in each bracket each sign up in different Group)

    But that is what the strong guilds do anyway - before weak guilds just had to gamble - if they ended in a Group with a strong - they got eliminated.

    If brackets kept same (and is now 4th time) - People should know the stronger guilds and at least in our brackets there would be still groups without stronger guilds
    where weaker guilds can sign up and have much higher chance to get through preliminaries - they didnīt have that chance before... (ofc only if ALL guilds are visible within the Group - and not bugged as now)

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    i dont agree with this "sports" thing. the main reason y u never see top teams fighting each other in the beginning in sports is cause they want more viewers and build up suspense for the finals. this way they can make more money. it doesnt apply to our guild tournament at all. i think its perfectly fine the way it is now

    heres an example y the way ur proposing just doesnt make sense and is totally unfair. lets say 1-8 are the top 8 teams from last season. 1 got put in 1, 2 in 16, 3 in 2, 4 in 15 etc. now if u were to sign up would u put urself in 1,2,3,4,13,14,15,16? obviously not. so right now if ur tournament has 16 in every single group it would end up showing 1,1,1,1,30,30,30,30,30,30,30,30,1,1,1,1 thats definitely not how groups should look like. thats just giving the top 8 groups from last season a free pass thru preliminaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uh123abcd View Post
    i dont agree with this "sports" thing. the main reason y u never see top teams fighting each other in the beginning in sports is cause they want more viewers and build up suspense for the finals. this way they can make more money. it doesnt apply to our guild tournament at all. i think its perfectly fine the way it is now

    heres an example y the way ur proposing just doesnt make sense and is totally unfair. lets say 1-8 are the top 8 teams from last season. 1 got put in 1, 2 in 16, 3 in 2, 4 in 15 etc. now if u were to sign up would u put urself in 1,2,3,4,13,14,15,16? obviously not. so right now if ur tournament has 16 in every single group it would end up showing 1,1,1,1,30,30,30,30,30,30,30,30,1,1,1,1 thats definitely not how groups should look like. thats just giving the top 8 groups from last season a free pass thru preliminaries.
    Exactluy, it's what i purpose give a free pass for top 8 guilds more or less.

    I was professional player of table tennis some years ago, table tennis doesn't exist in TV nearly but i should be really disapointed to be second best player in the list and to meet the n1 in qualifier....

    It's exactly the same there, no sense for me to give top 8 guilds to do preliminary turn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alendris View Post
    Exactluy, it's what i purpose give a free pass for top 8 guilds more or less.

    I was professional player of table tennis some years ago, table tennis doesn't exist in TV nearly but i should be really disapointed to be second best player in the list and to meet the n1 in qualifier....

    It's exactly the same there, no sense for me to give top 8 guilds to do preliminary turn
    it makes plenty of sense to me tho in this game. they want u to compete, if u were #2 and scared of seeing #1 in the preliminaries then u gotta try harder and be #1 urself. with ur proposal #2 will be #2 every single tournament, there is no competition just sign up and collect ur #2 prize every single time cause #1 will always be on other side. thats not even a tournament its just signing up to collect ur set prizes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uh123abcd View Post
    it makes plenty of sense to me tho in this game. they want u to compete, if u were #2 and scared of seeing #1 in the preliminaries then u gotta try harder and be #1 urself. with ur proposal #2 will be #2 every single tournament, there is no competition just sign up and collect ur #2 prize every single time cause #1 will always be on other side. thats not even a tournament its just signing up to collect ur set prizes.
    I think you never practice sport activly to have this thinking . But it's your right !

    When you train 30h every week, it's not to gamble a dice to find your opponent...

    It's the same there, guild with 50 active people, it's plenty of work to organise even if it's pleasure. So to see a 4 people guild go on and lost in preliminary just because they gamble good, i don't see any sense of it.

    I just want to give you one precision, it's not our case we won 1 and 3rd tournament and didn't meet this situation but i really think that this situation musn't happen
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