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    Manipulator first skill give damage lower than it stated

    Dear betty,

    In skill description says...
    Manipulator first skill "trance" - increase 1920 damage.
    Succubus first skill "soul-shout" - increase 1920 damage.

    Howerver, everytime manipulator cast her first skill only do around 6000 to 8000 damage. While succubus first skill give damage around 14000 to 18000.
    I have both heroes and manipulator stat magic power, magic crit or ignore resist is equal or higher with succubus.
    How can manipulator gives so much lower damage compare to succubus while her skill damage description is same.
    It is a bug???
    Please try if you don't believe.
    Thanks

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    How skills work.

    Base value (magical / physical) + skill level modifier * unknown modifier (higher for Succubus than for manipulator) * crit value * armor ignore / armor value / dodge / % Reduction * RNG = final amount.

    A lot of mumbo jumbo comes into play with skills. sheet damage is almost always 100% inaccurate.

    If it worked the way you think, any multi hit spell always hits for ~10k.

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    Skill damage on the description looks just too far off though, to the point of misleading players. Betty, please have a look and check again. Manipulator has extremely low DPS for a Mage with very decent gear. It does seem rather low even for a support mage, especially considering her ultimate doesn't guarantee a stun.

    She's a leaning on the disappointing side.

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    Thanks for reporting. However, this is not a bug. It is a normal game play.

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    FYI this is why i asked for better transparency surrounding game mechanics.

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    Thanks ember for respond.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyriel View Post
    How skills work.

    Base value (magical / physical) + skill level modifier * unknown modifier (higher for Succubus than for manipulator) * crit value * armor ignore / armor value / dodge / % Reduction * RNG = final amount.

    A lot of mumbo jumbo comes into play with skills. sheet damage is almost always 100% inaccurate.

    If it worked the way you think, any multi hit spell always hits for ~10k.
    no, i don't think they have unknown modifier(except for NA fourth skill).
    Just try manipulator with other mage and you will know what i mean. I just compare with succubus first skill because the description value is same.
    And dodge nothing to do with damage value...

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    you want to know the modifier for skills? head to hcharge.tk/heroes, there you have the modifiers listed

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    Quote Originally Posted by popoila View Post
    Thanks ember for respond.



    no, i don't think they have unknown modifier(except for NA fourth skill).
    Just try manipulator with other mage and you will know what i mean. I just compare with succubus first skill because the description value is same.
    And dodge nothing to do with damage value...
    There is absolutely a hidden modifier. If there wasn't then DM has a damage potential per wraith per tick of over 8k. This isn't how this works, therefore different modifiers for different skills regardless of what the skill says.\

    E: thanks to dcilic, i found out what.

    Manipulator is *0.31 magic attack. Succubus is *1.0 magic attack.

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