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    TIPP: What hidden stat is taken in consideration to be the first Tank?



    1 .Shallows Keeper - str
    2. Savage One - str
    3. Brute - str
    4. Admiral - str
    5. Mountain - str
    6. Death Knight - str
    7. War Chief - str
    8. AS - agi
    9. Psychopath - int
    10. Cleric - str
    11.Soul hunter - int
    12. Lightning Elemental - agi


    I don't have access to the following Front heros:
    Depths Voice- agi
    Bear varrior - agi
    Swordmaster - agi
    Warrior monk - str
    Panda - str
    Fallen domminion - str
    Deathgore - str
    Ironhoof -str.

    Why should know this?
    At Arena the first one it is stuned by the opponent Commando instantly.
    That should have really good tanking stats and probably he will not be able to survive until he has his ultimate.

    Example:
    DK+WC it is always is stunned the DK and is killed without being able to use his ulti.
    SK+SO+DK : very probably the DK will use his ulti! - same with Admiral + SO + DK

    AS is used with other tanks, at least a WC.
    Sometimes I need to have 2 other tank because AS it is stunned by WM. From this list if I pair with one who is at lower level still the AS is stunned.

    As LE is the last one from this 12 here there is the reason why he cast his ulti in arena. - ofc if he is not alone...

    How to help?
    Go to Arena.
    Press Setup
    Press Front.
    Take 1-2 hero which do you think it is the most behind.
    Add a random hero.
    If the new hero becomes at the first position then he has higher priority.

    As you can see from picture the Hero Level and the Gear level doesn't matter, just his name( type)

    I think it is a hidden property - stats, which I want to discover it.
    My bias is something "base str at 1* or at 3*" but Cleric it seems to be an exception, or maybe not?





    The Cleric has this:
    Last edited by heroeszabi; 11-28-2014 at 07:08 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heroeszabi View Post


    1 .Shallows Keeper - str
    2. Savage One - str
    3. Brute - str
    4. Admiral - str
    5. Mountain - str
    6. Death Knight - str
    7. War Chief - str
    8. AS - agi
    9. Psychopath - int
    10. Cleric - str
    11.Soul hunter - int
    12. Lightning Elemental - agi


    I don't have access to the following Front heros:
    Depths Voice- agi
    Bear varrior - agi
    Swordmaster - agi
    Warrior monk - str
    Panda - str
    Fallen domminion - str
    Deathgore - str
    Ironhoof -str.

    Why should know this?
    At Arena the first one it is stuned by the opponent Commando instantly.
    That should have really good tanking stats and probably he will not be able to survive until he has his ultimate.

    Example:
    DK+WC it is always is stunned the DK and is killed without being able to use his ulti.
    SK+SO+DK : very probably the DK will use his ulti! - same with Admiral + SO + DK

    AS is used with other tanks, at least a WC.
    Sometimes I need to have 2 other tank because AS it is stunned by WM. From this list if I pair with one who is at lower level still the AS is stunned.

    As LE is the last one from this 12 here there is the reason why he cast his ulti in arena. - ofc if he is not alone...

    How to help?
    Go to Arena.
    Press Setup
    Press Front.
    Take 1-2 hero which do you think it is the most behind.
    Add a random hero.
    If the new hero becomes at the first position then he has higher priority.

    As you can see from picture the Hero Level and the Gear level doesn't matter, just his name( type)

    I think it is a hidden property - stats, which I want to discover it.
    My bias is something "base str at 1* or at 3*" but Cleric it seems to be an exception, or maybe not?



    face slap... it is decided by developer.. not by any stat..

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    Example a 2* WC:


    I have introduced his data to a 3D triangle calculator: http://www.had2know.com/academics/tr...ordinates.html since we have 3D: Int, Str, agi



    The area, perimeter if is greater then the hero has more power. If you evolve it will increase those values
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stronghold View Post
    face slap... it is decided by developer.. not by any stat..
    I think it is a normalised stat formula. Like hero at 1* str growth value or something.
    Since that value can be used / queried programatically.
    Otherwise they need to keep a "hardcoded" ordered list with all of the 50 hero, which would be a very bad programming desing pattern.
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    str growth stats

    1 .Shallows Keeper - 1* = 3, 2*=4.7
    2. Savage One - 2* = 4.2
    3. Brute - 3* = 6.4
    4. Admiral - 2*=4.95
    5. Mountain - 2*=4.95
    6. Death Knight : 3* = 5.6
    7. War Chief - 2*= 4.35
    8. AS - 3* 2.4, 2*=1.8
    9. Psychopath - 1* = 3.2
    10. Cleric - 2* = 4.05
    11.Soul hunter - 3* = 4
    12. Lightning Elemental - 3* = 4.8

    - it seems not this.

    Maybe the normalised SideA+SideB in the triangle? -or the most 2 longer side sum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by heroeszabi View Post
    I think it is a normalised stat formula. Like hero at 1* str growth value or something.
    Since that value can be used / queried programatically.
    Otherwise they need to keep a "hardcoded" ordered list with all of the 50 hero, which would be a very bad programming desing pattern.
    how hard is that? when u first design a heroes, u mark it at, say, y-20 on your system, every times that hero reach this range to atk then it will stop. The position is already predetermined, no stat involve... no matter how low is ur stat.. u still stand at that place..

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    are you sure you understand the normalised word? http://www.fundza.com/vectors/normalize/

    - or just write, without reading?

    Quote Originally Posted by heroeszabi View Post
    As you can see from picture the Hero Level and the Gear level doesn't matter, just his name( type)
    Quote Originally Posted by Stronghold View Post
    no stat involve... no matter how low is ur stat.. u still stand at that place..
    Last edited by heroeszabi; 11-28-2014 at 07:58 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heroeszabi View Post
    are you sure you understand the normalised word? http://www.fundza.com/vectors/normalize/

    - or just write, without reading?
    i write because i know exactly where they will stand, just choose your hero and go to battle, ta daaa u will know where they stand forever ( either behind another tank or infront another tank or more or less on the same position). You don need to be a pro mathematician to know that....
    look at the stat? lol, we got int, str and agi standing on the front line.

    Why don u just think abit more simple? such as atk range?? u move until u found some one to atk right?

    and.. i m not interested to know any of this. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stronghold View Post
    i write because i know exactly where they will stand, just choose your hero and go to battle, ta daaa u will know where they stand forever ( either behind another tank or infront another tank or more or less on the same position). You don need to be a pro mathematician to know that....
    look at the stat? lol, we got int, str and agi standing on the front line.

    Why don u just think abit more simple? such as atk range?? u move until u found some one to atk right?

    and.. i m not interested to know any of this. lol

    Then lets total offtopic, just write.... how is your mother?
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    Quote Originally Posted by heroeszabi View Post
    Then lets total offtopic, just write.... how is your mother?
    Confucius says," One shall lose the fight if he/she brings the other's parents into the argument"

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    Quote Originally Posted by heroeszabi View Post
    Then lets total offtopic, just write.... how is your mother?
    she is fine, tq. Since you are so nice asking about my parent, i should show u my care as well.

    how is ur mother? Still here?

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    What I understand from OP's post is that every hero will have different stat growth based on the initial stat given (E.g. my DK i summoned around level 5 will be growing differently from other DK if he is summoned around 70+). This will be illogical, in my humble opinion, since every hero has PREDETERMINED stat growth. Every hero has its own purpose and area of specialty (arena, crusade, campaign, etc) that's why uniqueness in skills, stat growth, team fomation and overall synergies equate to a success of a line-up. I think this post is kind of misleading to other players.

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    Sorry I didn't understand at first

    I stand corrected for my previous post. I thought stat growth was the thing to be discussed. I just figured out it was the "placement" of the tanks in the front line. I still humbly believe that "placements" are still predetermined by the developers with different strings such as:

    Let The following be (example only):
    A - Death Knight
    B - Warchief
    C - Admiral

    The Conditions are:

    If you include A in the team, A will be "placed" first

    If you include A and B, A will be placed 1st then B

    If you include B and C, C will be 1st then B

    AND if you include A and C, C will be 1st then A.

    So the strings follow these condition that placement of heroes will be C>A>B

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    Quote Originally Posted by heroeszabi View Post
    Then lets total offtopic, just write.... how is your mother?
    How can Heroezabi still not be banned when writing such nonscene on this forum? Ember, the forum would be a much better place with him IP banned. Myself and I bet some other has given him a fair chance, but the pointless threads just keep on coming. And it's not just that, he is really rude, saying awful stuff about how stupid people are. Enough already..

    Ember? Betty? Allen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vildet View Post
    How can Heroezabi still not be banned when writing such nonscene on this forum? Ember, the forum would be a much better place with him IP banned. Myself and I bet some other has given him a fair chance, but the pointless threads just keep on coming. And it's not just that, he is really rude, saying awful stuff about how stupid people are. Enough already..

    Ember? Betty? Allen?
    Some can be really idiots and never heard about dynamic IP!
    Which IP to ban, maybe tomorrow I am using your IP!

    I have many times reported those idiots, who flame and the admins did nothing. They like this kinda communication and style!
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