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    Getting slaughtered in guild raid...

    Okay, clearly I'm no rocket scientist, and I'm a little in over my head since I'm VIP 11 (mainly because I was sick and tired of doing Crusade day in day out without ever getting a single hero).

    Anyway, I am getting destroyed in the Guild Raid. I do like 60 / 70k dmg, tops. If I look at my guildmembers (who are often 5 / 6 levels below me) I'm terrible with those levels of damage.

    I'm assuming it's that I'm doing shit wrong, and most likely I'm using the wrong team setup. Now I've tried asking around in my guild, but the only thing I can conclude from that is that I'm lacking the proper heroes.

    I've used several setups with the below list of heroes, granted, I'm Team Level 60:

    • Iron Hoof *** (LVL 59, Skills @ 57 / 57 / 39 / 19)
    • Leaves Shadow *** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 56 / 36 / 16)
    • Succubus *** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 56 / 36 / 16)
    • War Chief *** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 56 / 36 / 16)
    • Commando *** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 56 / 36 / 16)
    • Old Curse ** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 56 / 36 / 16)
    • Mystic ** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 56 / 36 / 16)
    • Arcane Sapper ** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 56 / 36 / 16)
    • Admiral ** (LVL 59, Skills @ 47 / 47 / 27 / 3) Given up on this hero, leveling it was a mistake
    • Chaplain ** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 47 / 33 / 7)
    • Cleric ** (LVL 56, Skills @ 46 / 46 / 26 / 2) This hero isn't being leveled or upgraded in any way, the only reason I kept it up was because I needed more meat for Crusade
    • Shallows Keeper ** (LVL 56, Skills @ 46 / 46 / 26 / 2) This hero isn't being leveled or upgraded in any way, the only reason I kept it up was because I needed more meat for Crusade
    • Emberstar *** (LVL 54, Skills @ 46 / 46 / 26 / 2) This hero isn't being leveled or upgraded in any way, the only reason I kept it up was because I needed more meat for Crusade
    • Machinist ** (LVL 54, Skills @ 46 / 46 / 26 / 2) This hero isn't being leveled or upgraded in any way, the only reason I kept it up was because I needed more meat for Crusade
    • Ice Mage *** (LVL 53, skills @ 46 / 46 / 26 / 2) This hero isn't being leveled or upgraded in any way, the only reason I kept it up was because I needed more meat for Crusade


    These are the heroes worth mentioning because they are leveled and skilled in some way or another. Not to say they are worth mentioning because they are good though, because I know some of these heroes are terrible.

    Next up are heroes I have but are really low level or not upgraded in any way.

    Shadow Shaman, Lightning Master, Sniper, Rifleman, Imperial Executioner, Professional Killer, Soulhunter, Bear Warrior, Brute, Warrior Monk, Depths Voice, Necromancer, Silencer, Psychopath.

    All these, aside from Sniper and Lightning Master, have I acquired since I'm VIP 11 with buying some gold chests, so if you're wondering why I haven't used some of these heroes, it's because I only have them for less than a week.

    I'm at 63 soulstones on Death Knight, 58 soulstones for Lightning Elemental, 15 for Savage One and 35 for Vengeance Spirit. Also by not buying a single soulstone for it I have 20 on Wind Master. (So just sheer luck)

    In Crusade I buy SS for Commando first now, in Arena I can never decide between DK and OC (hence my OC being 2 star, and I have no DK but do have 63 soulstones).

    So first of all, what do I use for raids and secondly where should my focus lie for now?

    A note, my crusade performance isn't good either, I usually do 11 / 15 or 12 / 15. Sometimes when I'm lucky I'll get to 14 / 15, but I've never EVER completed a crusade for the full 15 / 15.

    Could really use some advice / help, because at the moment I feel like I've thrown a lot of money at a wall, but haven't gotten any better for it, considering there's people in my arena ladder who aren't even VIP level and outplay me by a lot. (Yes, yes, I get that I'm a terrible player, but I'm trying to get better, I've experienced a lot in setups and what not, but it hasn't gotten me anywhere at the moment.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sn0x0r View Post
    Okay, clearly I'm no rocket scientist, and I'm a little in over my head since I'm VIP 11 (mainly because I was sick and tired of doing Crusade day in day out without ever getting a single hero).

    Anyway, I am getting destroyed in the Guild Raid. I do like 60 / 70k dmg, tops. If I look at my guildmembers (who are often 5 / 6 levels below me) I'm terrible with those levels of damage.

    I'm assuming it's that I'm doing shit wrong, and most likely I'm using the wrong team setup. Now I've tried asking around in my guild, but the only thing I can conclude from that is that I'm lacking the proper heroes.

    I've used several setups with the below list of heroes, granted, I'm Team Level 60:

    • Iron Hoof *** (LVL 59, Skills @ 57 / 57 / 39 / 19)
    • Leaves Shadow *** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 56 / 36 / 16)
    • Succubus *** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 56 / 36 / 16)
    • War Chief *** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 56 / 36 / 16)
    • Commando *** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 56 / 36 / 16)
    • Old Curse ** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 56 / 36 / 16)
    • Mystic ** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 56 / 36 / 16)
    • Arcane Sapper ** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 56 / 36 / 16)
    • Admiral ** (LVL 59, Skills @ 47 / 47 / 27 / 3) Given up on this hero, leveling it was a mistake
    • Chaplain ** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 47 / 33 / 7)
    • Cleric ** (LVL 56, Skills @ 46 / 46 / 26 / 2) This hero isn't being leveled or upgraded in any way, the only reason I kept it up was because I needed more meat for Crusade
    • Shallows Keeper ** (LVL 56, Skills @ 46 / 46 / 26 / 2) This hero isn't being leveled or upgraded in any way, the only reason I kept it up was because I needed more meat for Crusade
    • Emberstar *** (LVL 54, Skills @ 46 / 46 / 26 / 2) This hero isn't being leveled or upgraded in any way, the only reason I kept it up was because I needed more meat for Crusade
    • Machinist ** (LVL 54, Skills @ 46 / 46 / 26 / 2) This hero isn't being leveled or upgraded in any way, the only reason I kept it up was because I needed more meat for Crusade
    • Ice Mage *** (LVL 53, skills @ 46 / 46 / 26 / 2) This hero isn't being leveled or upgraded in any way, the only reason I kept it up was because I needed more meat for Crusade


    These are the heroes worth mentioning because they are leveled and skilled in some way or another. Not to say they are worth mentioning because they are good though, because I know some of these heroes are terrible.

    Next up are heroes I have but are really low level or not upgraded in any way.

    Shadow Shaman, Lightning Master, Sniper, Rifleman, Imperial Executioner, Professional Killer, Soulhunter, Bear Warrior, Brute, Warrior Monk, Depths Voice, Necromancer, Silencer, Psychopath.

    All these, aside from Sniper and Lightning Master, have I acquired since I'm VIP 11 with buying some gold chests, so if you're wondering why I haven't used some of these heroes, it's because I only have them for less than a week.

    I'm at 63 soulstones on Death Knight, 58 soulstones for Lightning Elemental, 15 for Savage One and 35 for Vengeance Spirit. Also by not buying a single soulstone for it I have 20 on Wind Master. (So just sheer luck)

    In Crusade I buy SS for Commando first now, in Arena I can never decide between DK and OC (hence my OC being 2 star, and I have no DK but do have 63 soulstones).

    So first of all, what do I use for raids and secondly where should my focus lie for now?

    A note, my crusade performance isn't good either, I usually do 11 / 15 or 12 / 15. Sometimes when I'm lucky I'll get to 14 / 15, but I've never EVER completed a crusade for the full 15 / 15.

    Could really use some advice / help, because at the moment I feel like I've thrown a lot of money at a wall, but haven't gotten any better for it, considering there's people in my arena ladder who aren't even VIP level and outplay me by a lot. (Yes, yes, I get that I'm a terrible player, but I'm trying to get better, I've experienced a lot in setups and what not, but it hasn't gotten me anywhere at the moment.)
    Drop admiral/cleric for a starter there as useful as a rubber knife in a gun fight.First I really hope your hiring DK in your crusade runs(he's a must) and chaplain,crusade requires fast hitting high regain power hitters,examples are mystic/pilot/old curse/windmaster/succabus/ice Mage and have heroes like commando/leaves popping in and out,I suggest you pick 10 heroes and work on them solely,that means fully gear/enchant/skill them and just abandon the rest for now.My 10 are WC/old curse/lunar guardian/Vengence spirit/chaplain/pilot/leaves/shallow/commando/Dk,there is a good mix of both crusade and arena teams in here,raid is normally ok I just use shallow/WC and my 3 strongest Dps,watch the life on the fights as if you fight a full group and your guild mate fights only 2 then odds are he will do a lot more damage as he will last the 90 seconds.At VIP 11 you should be dominating arena(top50),crusade and guild raids,any other set up to Dk/chalpain with 3 heavy Dps is a fail from what I see.Later on you will need 4 Dps with DK for the fights as the teams get so much stronger in later purples
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    From the current heroes I have, I have picked:

    Shallows Keeper, Iron Hoof, Leaves Shadow, Succubus, War Chief, Commando, Old Curse, Mystic and Chaplain for now. (Succubus will be replaced with Lunar Guardian, and Iron Hoof will either be replaced by DK or they will both stay depending on what I can keep geared and stuff)

    Also I'm working on acquiring Vengeance Spirit (Farming), Deathknight (Arena) and Lunar Guardian (Guild). After DK I'll continue my Old Curse soulstones, because he's at 2 stars now and he begins to feel underpowered against the teams I am facing. It will be weeks before I get LG and VS though, because I only get 360 or so Guild Points per day and farming soulstones for VS isn't that fast either.

    I tried hiring a DK from guild btw, but he's lvl 54 and most of the times got owned before I could get to the last 3 levels. The others from the guild don't seem to be sharing theirs in camp. Guess it's up to me to get one myself and level it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sn0x0r View Post
    From the current heroes I have, I have picked:

    Shallows Keeper, Iron Hoof, Leaves Shadow, Succubus, War Chief, Commando, Old Curse, Mystic and Chaplain for now. (Succubus will be replaced with Lunar Guardian, and Iron Hoof will either be replaced by DK or they will both stay depending on what I can keep geared and stuff)

    Also I'm working on acquiring Vengeance Spirit (Farming), Deathknight (Arena) and Lunar Guardian (Guild). After DK I'll continue my Old Curse soulstones, because he's at 2 stars now and he begins to feel underpowered against the teams I am facing. It will be weeks before I get LG and VS though, because I only get 360 or so Guild Points per day and farming soulstones for VS isn't that fast either.

    I tried hiring a DK from guild btw, but he's lvl 54 and most of the times got owned before I could get to the last 3 levels. The others from the guild don't seem to be sharing theirs in camp. Guess it's up to me to get one myself and level it.
    DK is completely useless in anything bar crusade as he has he's ult up at the start of every fight,that's why you need to Dps asap as he's not a tank,your arena team should be WC(iron hoof)/commando/leaves/old curse and lunar when ya get but I'd use the two tanks for now and replace one with lunar guardian.VS is a good end game heroe so don't stress on him now,I'd advice ya on either using the succabus/mystic combo or pilot/leaves/lunar guardian combo in future crusades,two tanks for most guild raids to maximise damage by surviving longer

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    I think the setup you must use should also depend on the guild enemy lineup. Sometimes the frontline can be magic or physical immune, then considerthe number of enemies ( AoE damage is preferable), or single enemy remaining, solo raid boss (disabling skills).
    Good game, well played!

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    Hey there sn0x0r

    I assume your current arena team is this

    Iron Hoof *** (LVL 59, Skills @ 57 / 57 / 39 / 19)
    Leaves Shadow *** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 56 / 36 / 16)
    Succubus *** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 56 / 36 / 16)
    War Chief *** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 56 / 36 / 16)
    Commando *** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 56 / 36 / 16)

    Well should be a good team, either put in Old Curse for Succubus or Leaves from time to time to see which one is best.

    Your crusade, try to use
    Death Knight (hired)
    Succubus *** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 56 / 36 / 16)
    Commando *** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 56 / 36 / 16)
    Old Curse ** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 56 / 36 / 16)
    Chaplain ** (LVL 59, Skills @ 56 / 47 / 33 / 7)

    or

    Mystic,Chaplain, succubus, Death Knight,Old Curse.

    Maybe if you have problems with your DK, try this. First round of crusade, Use your Iron Hoof to tank.
    Put in the rest, succubus, Commando, Old Curse, Chaplain.

    Do not use any ulti.

    Your chaplain should be able to heal in round 2. In round 2, put in DK, Mystic, Chaplain, Succubus/Old Curse, Another hero. Your chaplain will need to heal DK when his hp is less than half. Then he should be able to ulti and then have close to full health and energy at the end of the round.

    Then it should be easier going forward.
    Keep leveling the stars on Mystic/Chaplain. Well if you have problem with crusade, get your Death Knight first. Then level up your old curse star. So you can hire a death Knight and own a death knight. U will go further in crusade.

    In guild raid however, you need heroes that target single hero

    War Chief is good, Leaves is good, Old curse is ok, maybe put in succubus but try replace her. and then commando.

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    Rifleman is sick at single target damage if you feel like investing but it's uses outside single target bosses has yet to be proven worth while

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    For all the above reply, I just want to say
    1. Damage on boss is calculated as 200%
    2. No salvage one, no raid

    Do your math

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prodigalr View Post
    For all the above reply, I just want to say
    1. Damage on boss is calculated as 200%
    2. No salvage one, no raid

    Do your math
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godsend View Post
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    I think he means "the savage one"

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    Save up for lunar guardian, she doubled my damage output in raids, I'm still a little low compared to others but it has brought me up quite a bit, still trying to work out what I'm doing wrong myself though. My next step is lvling rifleman but yet to see any actually fights with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godsend View Post
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    Put it straight, the highest damage you could deal only happens when you face the boss, because he is alone, and HP is much enough for you within 90sec. This is true 98% of time.

    Consider, the total HP is limited, and you chance to challenge is limited. If you want to maximize your damage, clearly you you want to maximize your damage to the BOSS.

    So, instead of thinking something else, the easiest way is trying to maximize your damage over the boss.

    Consider during 90sec, over 50% of time you are dealing normal attack, physical team is your best choice (except for chap.9)

    Savage One, is your best friend for Boss chap.7 and chap.8.

    At the end, everything needs calculation and luck

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    Problem with savage one/rifleman(both seem perfect for guild raids)but crusade is the main part of the game,investing in heros that have limited use is not an option for most,once you hit the dreaded 70s unless you have deep pockets of course,you need to consider heroes that are useful in all aspects,set your team up to complete crusade or your going to have serious problems down the line,I see pictures of rifleman doing 250k damage on chapter 7 boss alone with a team full of lv56s but I can't afford to invest in a heroe that seems very limited in use
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    Well, here is my suggestion from CH 7 Guild Raid.
    First of all, you need a high physical damage output team.
    Now you need life steal to stay alive, you see that with high physical damage as I mentioned, life steal would be perfect, and that's why lots of people are suggesting Savage One.

    So now, here are the ways of how to maximize your physical damage output from your skills.
    1: enemy armor reduction. (The first and must)
    2: Agility for boosting up your attack speed and attack damage, as well as life steal. (Commando is probably the best)
    3: High physical attack output as well as aura for boosting all of your team Hero's physical damage, and of course, the higher the damage, the more life steal!

    And here is my team setup:
    1: Savage One (incredible single target armor reduction, high physicall damage and passive skill: +strengh, and last, high life steal.)
    2: Arcane Sapper (tons of physicall damge, passive skill: +Agility, and tons of life steal. However, sometimes he dies too quickly before he dealts tons of damage , in this case, I would change him to Leaves Shadow, but at the same time, Savage One would take all the damage in the front alone.)
    3: Psychic Sword (awesome armor reduction to front line enemy Heroes. Aura with physical damage bonus. "Savage One's girlfriend")
    4: Lunar Guardian (nice aura with physical damage bonus)
    5: Commando (The skill Inspiration: +attack, movement speed, as well as attack damage, and awesome aura for boosting Agility)
    6: Leaves Shadow (Aura for increasing team's attack power, notice I use her if Arcane Sapper dies too quickly.)

    There may be a better team setup, but here is what I have: high physical damge output(+Agility or Strenth) and aura, high life steal, and armor reduction!

    With my team setup(Arcane Sapper), I timed out the first Raid of CH 7 with life steal .
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    Last edited by John Le; 11-10-2014 at 02:46 AM. Reason: Grammar Revise

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    Only 200k? Either your team has low skill lvl or something is seriously wrong because I remember dealing 350k at that level using my arena set up without Savage One.

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