Considering to swap out Lightning Master for Machinist. But unsure.

[Djupvik]

Hi friends!

I just got the Machinist hero and he looks really strong. I feel that Machinist and Lightning Master is kind of the same hero, same position and such.

So I'm considering to level up Machinist to replace my Lightning Master, but I'm not sure about who scales better and what I lose if I go with either. The Lightning Master's damage really doesn't feel very strong anymore, but I'm not sure if including Machinist would make a difference.

My current setup is:
Brute
Leaves Shadow
Ice Mage
Emberstar
Lightning Master

I'm level 42 atm, and will hit 43 today.

I'm farming up for Lightning Elemental, and I think I will replace emberstar for him, or Lightning Master if Machinist is not a good call.

What do you guys think?

[Vigue]

I use Machinist in my team and he's really strong! Lvl 44 but with skills reaching only lvl 20! And still does some great damage.

In your case, i would swap Emberstar for him.

[Djupvik]

I use Machinist in my team and he's really strong! Lvl 44 but with skills reaching only lvl 20! And still does some great damage.

In your case, i would swap Emberstar for him.

So you think Machinist is an upgrade from Emberstar if I get him to equal skill levels?

[Godsend]

I would aim to get old curse/war chief/commando/windmaster if I was you bro,bar leaves your heroes are going to be not great at lv60,your going bomb horribly in arena without war chief and commando

[CrimsonSun]

I would aim to get old curse/war chief/commando/windmaster if I was you bro,bar leaves your heroes are going to be not great at lv60,your going bomb horribly in arena without war chief and commando

This is definitely going to change at some point. Neither the players nor the devs appreciate how abused / necessary OC and WC are in arena.

As for swapping out Machinist, that is exactly what I'm doing soon ( team level 59 ) since he gets INSANELY more tanky than Master and Elemental. He gets around 3 pairs of Hazdar Boots ( 25 each attribute ) which is crazy for a blue hero. His ultimate destroys mid line when it goes off, he can blind ( very OP ) deals AOE and has increased attack speed with his purple, meaning his ulti charges very quickly making him that much more deadly. You will start seeing at around your level that a Elemental will die very quickly since he's squishy, deals laughably low damage except for ulti, and is on the front line. I would take Machinist any day over Elemental or Master.

[heroeszabi]

My vote is: NO.

I have more experience with Lighting Master and less with Machinist.
LM get purple at 50. He is one of those heroes, who get earlier epic gear than the average.

He charge VERY fast - I think he should be nerfed.

If I wouldn't have Arcane Sapper 2*, Wind Master 3*, Old curse 2* I would use him even at 1*.
Ofc Old curse is OP now and starts with 2*, that should you have as main aoe dps.

Also I have found AoE dps is kinda better at Crusade than Arena.

For Arena I would use what are you using:
Brute
Leaves Shadow
Ice Mage
Emberstar
Lightning Master

- but only until you got unlock for Old curse, which should be a priority for you. Make sure you rise Ice Mage's freeze spell to max.

- now you didn't mention where you want to use it exactly.

After epic zone your Brute will be gone, Emberstar will be gone.
Ice mage/Lightening will be switched for Arena / Crusade.

In one of my recent posts I am suggesting to farm the low level souls with low level heroes. Machinist is good for there: he will get the exp and not the main team, he shouldn't be skilled, just geared but that for a total different reason: http://forum.ucool.com/showthread.ph...and-team-level

[Urtock]

I'm level 50 and i have not own a purple machinist, just a blue+2 one. And let me tell he rocks. And with the purple skill and i cant even imagine how awesome he is.

Just yesterday i have finished crusade with hired DK, Chaplain, Commando, OC and Machinist! I only swaped a couple of times machinist with emberstar because of one front tank team. Emberstar/imperial executioner rocks with those teams.

Anyways, forget how easy it is to get you first purple hero (LM). Wait and get machinist!

[Cappuccinoman]

I actually voted you should switch to Machinist since it will be good late game (lots of top ladder players use it at level 80).

However, having read what Heroezabi said I changed my opinion, Machinist is only very strong late game, not early or mid game (my testing).
For this reason I think you should follow what Heroezabi said and use LM or Emberstar. Aim for OC and Commando from Arena/Crusade coins

[Urtock]

I actually voted you should switch to Machinist since it will be good late game (lots of top ladder players use it at level 80).

However, having read what Heroezabi said I changed my opinion, Machinist is only very strong late game, not early or mid game (my testing).
For this reason I think you should follow what Heroezabi said and use LM or Emberstar. Aim for OC and Commando from Arena/Crusade coins

Not wanting to be off topic, but whats the point on telling ALL the players that he/she should use OC/Commando/WC ?

There's 40+ heroes in this game, and everyone is getting the same ones.

For example, a user wants to mount a setup team for arena and he has the following:

heroe x
heroe y
heroe u
heroe i
heroe o
heroe p

He wants to choose five and many people say that they should get OC/Commando/WC. instead telling the guy who he would want to use from the heroes he has.

A little more diversity/creativity is needed i think. But then i agree, OC/Commando/WC are OP and should be nerfed a little bit... or the others heroes should get buffed.. Idk, but please this is a constructive critic.

Best regards

[Godsend]

I'm sorry now but some of this advice given is plain crap(lighting master and brute arena???)complain all you want but have ye seen lunar guardian/death Mage in action?? Trust me old curse is only 1 of the worries that's coming.Nerf this Nerf that look please if you don't like the game move on,I'm trying to give people advice and it's the same shit repeated back over and over again by the same people,1 of which I thought left cause personally he's posts are pointless and proof he has no notion how to play a very simple game

[Cappuccinoman]

Not wanting to be off topic, but whats the point on telling ALL the players that he/she should use OC/Commando/WC ?

There's 40+ heroes in this game, and everyone is getting the same ones.

For example, a user wants to mount a setup team for arena and he has the following:

heroe x
heroe y
heroe u
heroe i
heroe o
heroe p

He wants to choose five and many people say that they should get OC/Commando/WC. instead telling the guy who he would want to use from the heroes he has.

A little more diversity/creativity is needed i think. But then i agree, OC/Commando/WC are OP and should be nerfed a little bit... or the others heroes should get buffed.. Idk, but please this is a constructive critic.

Best regards

I actually try out weird teams and combos that might work.

For instance on one of my accounts I've tried to make Lightning Elemental work running:
Lightning Elemental - Emberstar - Mystic - Leaves Shadow and Commando
The idea behind the team is that Mystics blind and Leaves Shadow Ice Arrow and Silence will reduce the damage Lightning Elemental takes long enough to cast his ultimate (++ Mystic will give him energy since he will be top due to taking damage), then emberstar starts to rapid fire finish people off - Ultimate kills a player and gets 60% energy back, mystic restores her to 100% and she ults again.

Running this team at power level 9000 (team 43) I've beaten 10000 power level teams. It's creative and neat, but it will lose to a team running Savage One/Old Curse/Commando/Wind Master or Succubus/Leaves Shadow

So while I answered his question despite you thinking I didn't, (which was for him to use LM) I still gave a tip that Old Curse/Commando are very very strong.

[Vigue]

So you think Machinist is an upgrade from Emberstar if I get him to equal skill levels?

I think Machinist is a HUGE upgrade from Emberstar. I like him A LOT, even being only 44.

[Urtock]

I actually try out weird teams and combos that might work.

For instance on one of my accounts I've tried to make Lightning Elemental work running:
Lightning Elemental - Emberstar - Mystic - Leaves Shadow and Commando
The idea behind the team is that Mystics blind and Leaves Shadow Ice Arrow and Silence will reduce the damage Lightning Elemental takes long enough to cast his ultimate (++ Mystic will give him energy since he will be top due to taking damage), then emberstar starts to rapid fire finish people off - Ultimate kills a player and gets 60% energy back, mystic restores her to 100% and she ults again.

Running this team at power level 9000 (team 43) I've beaten 10000 power level teams. It's creative and neat, but it will lose to a team running Savage One/Old Curse/Commando/Wind Master or Succubus/Leaves Shadow

So while I answered his question despite you thinking I didn't, (which was for him to use LM) I still gave a tip that Old Curse/Commando are very very strong.

I did realize what you said back there, but almost every one wants to make a team with oc, commando, wc, bla bla bla.. ya know.

Its tiring see such nonsense because you gave there 2 examples of 2 teams that:

1- one is inovative
2-the other is a counter

and all that mixing and 'give it a try' on heroes makes this game reallt great.

for arena, i'm running now shallows keeper, savage one, machinist, commando and i wanted silencer. But using old curse for now.

[Djupvik]

Now I'm unsure of who to replace with Machinist. If I replace Emberstar or Lightning Master.

Damn, I get such close relationships with my starter heroes xD

Emberstar is pretty good to get rid of the tanks with the single target burst, but Lightning Master has the good aoe.

[CrazyEyesDave]

Yes, replace Lightning Master with Machinist, it will be more useful after purple.